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Mona Charen

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The whole world is focused on what we've failed to find in Iraq -- to the point of neglecting what we have found. In doing so, the press is missing the significance of what the United States and Britain have achieved.
The banned weapons will eventually be accounted for. Of that there can be no doubt. But the more important story is that the coalition overthrew a regime that can fairly be compared with Nazi Germany. Such a deed would be applauded by the world -- if we lived in a better world.
The absolute numbers of those tortured, maimed and killed by the Ba'ath government will never be known. But some estimates say 1 million Iraqis were butchered by Saddam. American and British forces are finding mass graves throughout the country. Corpses of men, women and children were found. Even some of the children had been tortured before being executed. A columnist for a Lebanese newspaper wrote: "This barbarism, unprecedented in human history, was committed by Arab hands, by hands that found such delight in death and murder that the death squads would send the heads of the victims to Saddam Hussein's two sons in cardboard boxes. . . . These plastic bags in the mass graves contained bullet-riddled skulls, bodies wrapped in rags, tied in ropes, or dressed in worn pieces of clothing. . . . Ropes still tied a mother's bones to her infant's, and a father's to his son . . . "
U.S. forces have reportedly captured millions of pages of meticulous documents from the files of the security forces, detailing tortures and murders by the regime. According to Insight magazine, "A single document dated August 1989 lists the names of 87 people who were executed and a summary of each case. The alleged crimes included trespassing into forbidden zones and teaching the Kurdish language." In one police station in Nasiriya, survivors showed U.S. Marines the electric shock prods, electric chair, and other torture implements, as well as tons of surveillance equipment. The station was filled with pictures of burned bodies.
The Saddam regime apparently used photos of its torture victims to intimidate others, particularly the victims' families.
Insight tells the story of Fatima Faraj, a Kurd whose nephews were arrested by the regime in 1986. After two years, they were executed. The Republican Guards demanded that their father pay a fee for their burial. When he demanded a receipt, the guards turned over the bodies. The father took the bodies of his sons home in boxes. "Their entire bodies other than (beneath) their underwear were places of burn," Fatima sobbed. "There were two black spots on their necks. They looked as though they were whipped and kicked throughout their bodies." Another nephew survived his torture. "He was kicked so bad," Fatima testified. "They took out all his fingernails and toenails. . . . He had a nervous breakdown."
Writing in the London-based Arabic newspaper Al-Sharq Al-Awsat, columnist Ahmed Al-Rab'i issued a "J'accuse" at fellow Arabs: "Is there not a single man of conscience who might be brought by these sights to . . . admit that he was mistaken, that he was unaware of the truth, that he was a victim of the misleading (Arab) media?" A Jordanian journalist declared the obvious: "The dictatorship of the Iraqi Ba'ath reached the level of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia . . . "
Any nation that marched into that torture chamber of a country and freed it deserves the world's gratitude. Instead, we have carping from all sides.
Antiquities were stolen from the museum (by the way, only 47 unaccounted for out of the originally suggested 170,000), water and power supplies took more than a couple of weeks to stabilize, and we haven't yet laid hands on the well-hidden weapons of mass destruction. The weapons will be found. The rest is nonsense. The United States and Britain have done a magnificent thing. Even if nothing else follows from it -- no liberalization of the Arab world, no breakthrough between Israelis and Palestinians, no hobbling of the terror masters -- it will have been worth it.
 

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I'll disregard the rankly propogandist slant of these article ("[Saddam's brutality is] unprecedented in history" ... [it's obvious] Saddam has reached the level of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge ...") I posit that the author of this piece learn a bit about those things before he writes on them.

Hussein is much more like Stalin was, than Hitler. The Bush administration, on the other hand, bears many striking resemblences to Hitler's rise in power.

Freeing an opressed people is, on the face of it, a noble notion, but history has demonstrated again and again that an opressed people who will not free themselves, will not stay free for long. Less than a year after Bushwas on international news saying, "There's no such thing as a Taliban anymore," the Taliban was alive and well in Afghanistan, and the Karzai administration that the US invasion of Afghanisatan put into power has virtually zero power outside of the capital of Kabul today.

Dozens of American lives being lost so that an "opressed people" can enjoy a few months of privations while pretending to be free is an inexcusable sacrifice. Especially given the fact that prior to the invasion intelligence services reported that Hussein posed no significant threat to the United States or it's interests, and in light of the rapidity with which Hussein's regime crumbled, it seems even that assessment was too kind.


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Phaedrus,
Mona Charen is a woman.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Phaedrus:
Hussein is much more like Stalin was, than Hitler. The Bush administration, on the other hand, bears many striking resemblences to Hitler's rise in power.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The analagy is correct.
 
Finally, a coherent opinion that escapes the the usual filtration of the mainstream media and it's liberal views. Phaedrus...How many caves or mountaintops in Afghanistan occupied by the formerly ruling "taliban" does it take for them to be considered "alive and well?"
 

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RAZZ ... while it's true that the Taliban is in a state of disarray, the fact that they have any support at all after seven years of hideous abuse of the Afghan people, followed by the expense and efforts of the US and coalition forces to rid Afghanistan of the Taliban and restore some semblance of order and dignity to it's people, shows me that the Afghan people deserve nothing more, and nothing less.

I never spoke out about America's invasion of Afghanistan, because I believed that Osama bin Laden and the al-Qaeda was harboured, aided and abetted by the Taliban, and I believe that ObL and his group was responsible the 9/11 terrorist attacks. However, the post-conflict role of the US in Afghanistan has been apalling. Real Americans finish what they start, and all that the current administration (I recognise this is not directly the fault of Bush, as field policy is seldom dictated by the president) has made a cesspool of a country that, while oppressed, was at least functioning before we got there. He has created a breeding ground of hatred and the lack of a strong arm to back the president whom the coalition pushed on the Afghani people (some *liberation*) has already led to it's natural course: outside of Kabul, at the end of the US troops and those trained by them, Karzai has almost no authority, and less than zero respect from the people he ostensibly leads.

It will take a few years for the Taliban to get back o ntheir feet, if they do at all, and for some new rising star of Islam to pick up the mantle ObL has dropped. By then President Bush will no longer be in office, and since Cheney is neither likely to run nor get elected if he did, chances are we will again have a Democratic president -- and it will be that poor man who gets blamed for whatever happens after Bush's "years of fighting terrorism."

Bush is not fighting terrorism in Afghanistan, Iraq, here at home, or anywhere else. He is doing the same stupid shit that his father, Reagan, Carter, and unfortunately even Eisenhower (my favourite modern president) did with regards to the Middle East -- lording, and giving young Muslims an all-too-easy target for their misdirected hatred and anger.


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Bush at the momment does not know if Saddam is dead or alive, nor does he care. He has their oil and he's happy with that.
 

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March on baby! US POWER RULES.Bring the enemy to their KNEES drop kick them in the jaw once and for all.


US POWER WITH GUNS,STRENGTH,and TORTURE..


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